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beboots ([personal profile] beboots) wrote2011-02-14 08:09 pm

Valentines Day stuff! Also, BRAND NEW EXPERIMENTAL HISTORY MEME!

 Good evening, everyone! Happy Valentines day, for those of you who celebrate it! 

First, a brief link recommendation. If you've never heard of Postsecrets, you should definitely check them out: essentially, people send in anonymous postcards with their secrets on them. Some are sad, some are quirky, some are touching, and all are absolutely awesome. This week they have a Valentine-themed series of postcard secrets for you to look at. This one was my favourite: 


Furthermore, the Edmonton Journal (which, along with the National Post, I read almost every day to keep up with news about the world) apparently held a contest for the best Edmonton-themed Valentines cards, most of them poking fun at the city. This particular one was my absolute favourite, mostly because I had to cross that bridge five days a week to get to Fort Edmonton this past summer. It was murder during rush hour when it was down to one lane. >_<; It's been under construction for at least two and half years.

For more, see here!

As a side note, I did celebrate this Valentine's Day as a single person. Here's hoping that I shall find my true love in the coming year! :) I should mention that I mostly enjoy Valentine's Day because it also doubles as my dearest mother's birthday! We have flowers and chocolate about the house, then, regardless of the state of our personal lives. :) Happy birthday, mother mine! Now, tomorrow is the holiday I look forward to even more than the events of St. Valentine... Cheap Chocolate Day! Celebrated: wherever chocolate is sold!

On a final note... I actually began writing this post in response to the lovely surprise left for me at [livejournal.com profile] atla_valentine. I hadn't realized that people would leave me messages! :)  They made me smile. Therefore, my original plan had been, in response to people writing lovely flattering things about the history dorkery that goes on in this journal, to write a post about some of the crazy little tidbits I've been learning about in my History of Translation class... which just so happens to be what I'm studying for at the moment (even as I procrastinate reviewing for the midterm to write this post). I'll get around to that very soon! It will still happen!

I did, however, just have a thought. Maybe I could do something completely and utterly crazy and unprecedented. I could... do a history meme. I want to share the love with you guys. I love telling historical anecdotes; I like to think I got quite good at it while working at Fort Edmonton. Maybe no-one will want to play with me. I will still tell crazy history stories to the world! Just give me a direction, guys. :) What do you want to hear?

It shall be a shameless effort at trying to emulate the cool kids (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE), only instead of fanfic, it will be random history tidbits, in the style of the posts that have appeared in this journal before.

THEREFORE, what I resolve to do is ask you, the readers, for history prompts! Ask me a historical question: anything you like. For instance: "who is your favourite member of European royalty and what was the most interesting thing they ever did?" "What do you think is the silliest reason a war ever started?" "What is the most unusual historical artifact you have ever seen in person?" "What can you tell me about Canada's participation in such-and-such a war?" It can even be something like "tell me the craziest thing you know about the 17th century/the bubonic plague/aboriginal history/etc., etc., ad nauseam." I shall even search for an appropriate image to accompany the historical blather! 

If I don't know the answer to your question, I resolve to use my research skills and access to university databases to find the answer! You may get more coherent history squee if I've heard of the topic before, though. I have studied European history across the ages, some East Asian history, and lots of Canadian and American history, but still, don't let that limit your selection! I suspect that if you ask me something about the history of medicine or the French or English languages you will get extra-long anecdotes. Indulge your curiosity, and I will try to be interesting in return! :) 

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-27 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It's an entirely unusual circumstance, and Excidium didn't seem quite so possessive of his captain. He's probably rather approving of the sailor-human that made Jane happy, and quite aware enough to know that it would be difficult to belatedly become a dragon. (New thought-- do NOT try separating Tem and Laurence in formations, Tem will NOT approve.)

Pregnant!Jane is also out of the war after a certain point, which means that it's all the more urgent that Laurence get trained up even faster than Temeraire-- Laurence has seen all the formations and has the general sense, and he was a captain of a ship. He can manage to be a very, very fast learner, even if he never will keep up with Tem's languages.

Plus, "your daddy is that dragon over there. It's a long story." I do think it would be freaking adorable if they had another little girl, and they could name her after Laurence's mum because the woman was awesome (and would again travel up with a proper escort to go visit son and grandchild.) Plus, if they have a girl, and Tem will only accept Laurence's child... they'll lose a Celestial if they don't give in, and Tem has already utterly destroyed the idea that seniority always means first shot. The dragons can mind the little one at first, and then the dragon will have an array of options that the human and dragon leadership approve of-- Rankin and his ilk will not be allowed near a dragon, hang the nobility.

The types to accept "Flight Officer" care about the DRAGON, not the rank. They're much better fighters. I think Laurence might have been able to force himself to take a captain (instant demotion, to the military mind), but Tem won't hear of it. (Tem because typing out the full name every time makes me run out of characters.)

"Perhaps he and Temeraire, both the only literate dragons in Europe, could also come up with an alternate writing system that works better with claws? It could just be a different alphabet "font" that is less curvy and more spiky and thus easier to write... and for other dragons to learn? They could teach the others! Literacy is a useful skill. ;)" I do think Tem will invent it, with frequent contributions from Laurence-- it starts as a rather fast plan to give Laurence SOMETHING to do besides sit quietly and try to not look unhappy.

The aviators are rather disappointed to not have eggs from either of them, I'd think, but... huh. Animal husbandry might kick up a few notches, if they could do a bit of artificial insemination. There are a few awkward points (the lucky human in charge of gathering the-er- sample from Tem, probably with Laurence right there, the lucky people in charge of inseminating the quite obliging female dragon), but... my friend's done AI with stallions, if I wanted to be way too accurate I could ask.

I do think he's changed in China, on his way out. Lien's revenge, she's cold enough for it to fit.

";_; Aww, yes, please! That would ALSO make an excellent piece of fanart." Nobody dares make a comment about it, even if Lily laughs when nobody's around to gossip about lovesick young ones.

"YES PLZ. I'm sure that Laurence appreciates any efforts that they make." Laurence tells them to not be silly, he can eat burned meat. He ate burned meat quite often as a human, thank you, and his digestion is much more hardy now.

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-27 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Laurence does own property! They have some issues with that, but in the end, the aviators probably forge a few things with Laurence's full permission and let Granby run errands. Laurence never quite develops the taste for shiny things, I think, but somebody can make him a very, very happy dragon if they bring in a jeweler and let Laurence talk through exactly what they'll be making for Temeraire.

Lord Allendale is immensely reluctant to admit his son is still alive (and a dragon). His wife visits as often as she can, which is every two or three months, and her main concern is that they're looking after him and that he's eating enough and if he needs her to set the ladies of the town at their husbands' ears.

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-27 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"How are you thinking of managing it? I had a thought - because it'll probably have to be some sort of magical object, perhaps that gift that Temeraire picks out for Laurence from among his mother's hoard? It could be a giant pearl, because Temeraire remembered that story told in canon about the human who was turned into a dragon by swallowing a pearl, only IT ACTUALLY IS THAT PEARL or something?" I was thinking a forced transformation thanks to Lien, but using the pearl would be quite nice. Maybe the hired cook that they lost.

I have not at ALL settled on a timeline. I want to start it much, much closer to England, to not be reinventing the wheel by writing the entire cross-Asian journey with an extra dragon.

"...And in this situation, of course, Temeraire could have the actual guilt of being the cause of his captain's distressful situation, and Laurence, KNOWING THIS, tries to act less miserable than he actually is, and, well, misunderstandings all around? Until someone like Jane smacks some sense into them both? (Because there are still a limited number of human beings in the world who would physically assault a dragon. Jane is one of the rare few.)"

Jane would beat a dragon into submission without breaking a sweat, easy, because she'd Look at them as she did it. Temeraire would feel terrible, and Laurence would try even harder to not show that he's at all upset, and it would take Jane AND Granby to sort it out again. (Granby hasn't been able to fix it. He takes the matter to Jane, and is quite mortified to break his captain's confidence.)

Wikis are fun, fun things to have around.

"The wiki does a good job at breaking down all of the breeds, with images, known members of the breed, etc. Be warned, though, because there will be spoilers on this site. Not on the page for this particular dragon breed, though. It only has a brief blurb on common tactics used by the French to disguise them because of their value." Fine with me, I can skim around suspicious-looking spoilers.

"The advantage of the Flamme-de-Gloire is that they are yellow (and Laurence is blond?) so there's a similarity there... and I'm sure you can just wave your hand and make his eyes blue. ;)" Laurence is quite blond, and I love him enough to put blue on a yellow dragon. (Blue and yellow are the colors of rather despised university rivals. My uni has green and white.)

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-27 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
"(New thought-- do NOT try separating Tem and Laurence in formations, Tem will NOT approve.)" Oh yes. I'm sure that someone will try at some point, probably because Temeraire and Laurence would both have firepower (divine wind and FLAMES respectively), and so by rights they should both be split up into different formations... but of course they won't have ANY of that. They fly surprisingly well together considering Laurence's messed up human instincts.

"Pregnant!Jane is also out of the war after a certain point, which means that it's all the more urgent that Laurence get trained up even faster than Temeraire-- Laurence has seen all the formations and has the general sense, and he was a captain of a ship. He can manage to be a very, very fast learner" Oh yes! (Although I'm sure that this isn't the first time this has happened to the captain of a Longwing, so perhaps they have a system of acting captains in place for maternity leave?)

Also, yeah, Laurence would be the only Flamme-de-Gloire in existence who can't really speak French. Or can only mangle it.

"Plus, "your daddy is that dragon over there. It's a long story."" XDD VERY long story. On the plus side, this kid will grow up believing in magic?

"ild.) Plus, if they have a girl, and Tem will only accept Laurence's child... they'll lose a Celestial if they don't give in, and Tem has already utterly destroyed the idea that seniority always means first shot." EXACTLY. And like you said, now they have a check-and-balance system so the Rankins of the world will never again get near dragons.

"hang the nobility." OR SQUASH THEM. I'M SURE THAT TEMERAIRE WOULD VOLUNTEER TO DO THE SQUASHING.

"The types to accept "Flight Officer" care about the DRAGON, not the rank." VERY TRUE. Also, Flight Officers would get valuable experience in a possibly not-so-permanent position, so they're poised, like Granby, to take a dragon's egg.

"I think Laurence might have been able to force himself to take a captain (instant demotion, to the military mind), but Tem won't hear of it." Oh yes, Laurence is just the type to martyr himself, but Temeraire and others work hard to break him of his harmful self-sacrificing tendencies. THEY HAVE TO STICK TO THEIR GUNS. NO CAPTAINS FOR THEM.

"I do think Tem will invent it, with frequent contributions from Laurence-- it starts as a rather fast plan to give Laurence SOMETHING to do besides sit quietly and try to not look unhappy." And sighing every so often. (Possibly his sighs involve some smoke, so you can see his melancholy in manifested physical form drifting above the treeline in the covert.) He needs to stop moping and take some action!

"my friend's done AI with stallions, if I wanted to be way too accurate I could ask." Woah, really? How far back does this kind of thing go? /morbidly curious.

"Laurence tells them to not be silly, he can eat burned meat. He ate burned meat quite often as a human, thank you, and his digestion is much more hardy now." Oh yes, they should stop being so silly. He does miss potatoes, a bit, because trying to actually cook up enough to actually give him more of a taste is a bit of a ridiculous undertaking.

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
"They have some issues with that, but in the end, the aviators probably forge a few things with Laurence's full permission and let Granby run errands." Lol yes. Perhaps on paper Laurence is on "medical furlough", because legally it's difficult to acknowledge the existence of human-into-dragon-transforming-magic. Officially, Laurence was birthed off of a captured French egg, perhaps? Nobody has to know besides, well, those IN the know, about the fact that this dragon used to be a person?

"Laurence never quite develops the taste for shiny things, I think, but somebody can make him a very, very happy dragon if they bring in a jeweler and let Laurence talk through exactly what they'll be making for Temeraire." Oh yes. :) I'm sure that the other dragons, especially Temeraire, look in askance at him when he's all like "but gold and silver clash! And wouldn't look good against the yellow of my scales anyway! And it's too expensive!" They try to convince him of the virtues of shiny things but he still doesn't quite get it. His form of dressing up is giving his scales a good scrub and perhaps put on a few relatively plain chinese claw covers that Temeraire finally managed to push on him.

"Lord Allendale is immensely reluctant to admit his son is still alive (and a dragon). His wife visits as often as she can, which is every two or three months, and her main concern is that they're looking after him and that he's eating enough and if he needs her to set the ladies of the town at their husbands' ears." I <3 Laurence's mum. You should also see this image:
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Majestys_dragon_02_72dpi.jpg

Also these other, non-spoilery images:
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Hatchling.jpg
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Life-changed-anke.jpg
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Majestys_dragon_01_72dpi.jpg
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:First-flight-anke.jpg
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Shelter-anke.jpg

There are lots of other lovely images by this artist and others on the wiki, too, but unfortunately they're all in one category and many of them are spoilers.
Oh, here's one more, because Laurence and Temeraire cuddling is love:
http://temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Toj_01_reunion_72dpi.jpg

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[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Found a spoiler. I just wanted a couple details, but... Jane WAS.

"Oh yes. I'm sure that someone will try at some point, probably because Temeraire and Laurence would both have firepower (divine wind and FLAMES respectively), and so by rights they should both be split up into different formations... but of course they won't have ANY of that. They fly surprisingly well together considering Laurence's messed up human instincts." Temeraire is brilliant at compensating for Laurence's odd behaviors, and Laurence knows just which ideas Tem will get in his head. They'd be much, much less effective if apart.

" Oh yes! (Although I'm sure that this isn't the first time this has happened to the captain of a Longwing, so perhaps they have a system of acting captains in place for maternity leave?)" I would imagine so, yes--Excidium will accept her lieutenant as acting captain, so long as all understand that he WILL be having his proper captain back in time. I'll still get Jane to meet his mother, even if I will have to name Lady Allendale unless she has a Christian name anywhere. Probably Margaret.

"Also, yeah, Laurence would be the only Flamme-de-Gloire in existence who can't really speak French. Or can only mangle it." OMG yes!! It pains Tem a little ("really, Laurence, this is one language that we should spend time on"), but Laurence simply has no interest in that sort of thing.

"XDD VERY long story. On the plus side, this kid will grow up believing in magic?" That kid has the oddest habit of checking through her meal as if there'll be something that isn't meat or vegetables, nobody gets it.

"EXACTLY. And like you said, now they have a check-and-balance system so the Rankins of the world will never again get near dragons." The dragons quite like this new plan, even the little ones like Volly agree to help enforce it.

"OR SQUASH THEM. I'M SURE THAT TEMERAIRE WOULD VOLUNTEER TO DO THE SQUASHING." THEN HE'D MAKE QUESTIONABLE-LOOKING OFFICERS CLEAN OFF HIS FOOT.

"VERY TRUE. Also, Flight Officers would get valuable experience in a possibly not-so-permanent position, so they're poised, like Granby, to take a dragon's egg." Right! They're used to changing companies, and later they'll be quite familiar with several types of dragons. (The older dragons have a conference about just which fellows are suitable for guiding a young dragon. Some should only be posted when the dragon is fully mature, some are fine at any age.)

"Oh yes, Laurence is just the type to martyr himself, but Temeraire and others work hard to break him of his harmful self-sacrificing tendencies. THEY HAVE TO STICK TO THEIR GUNS. NO CAPTAINS FOR THEM." Tem has it down, and Jane is quite sharp on the subject. 'Of course we shan't subject Captain Laurence to a demotion for circumstances quite beyond his control. Lieutenant Granby has quite correctly offered to continue his work as Laurence's superior officer, and you cannot deny they have been effective together. Now, let's spend our time finding someone suitable for Temeraire.'

"And sighing every so often. (Possibly his sighs involve some smoke, so you can see his melancholy in manifested physical form drifting above the treeline in the covert.) He needs to stop moping and take some action!" OMG YES, and he only does that when he thinks he's alone-- Jane says it. 'You were sighing again, Laurence, and it's... well, you exhale smoke as you do, so it's no use hiding about in the woods. Then we know that you're unhappy and too noble by half to inflict the emotion on us as a friend ought.'

"Woah, really? How far back does this kind of thing go? /morbidly curious." Um... not sure on the full history, but I'd bet they had it in the 1800s? /just checked. First recorded thing in Western history was in the 1400s. It was in medical literature in 1790, and we have a winner.

"Oh yes, they should stop being so silly. He does miss potatoes, a bit, because trying to actually cook up enough to actually give him more of a taste is a bit of a ridiculous undertaking." They'll do it back at the covert in an absolutely massive pot. It takes the better part of two days to heat that much water, but asking Laurence to do it would spoil the surprise.

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
"Lol yes. Perhaps on paper Laurence is on "medical furlough", because legally it's difficult to acknowledge the existence of human-into-dragon-transforming-magic. Officially, Laurence was birthed off of a captured French egg, perhaps? Nobody has to know besides, well, those IN the know, about the fact that this dragon used to be a person?" Right!!! It's quite quiet, and Laurence can't go near cities anymore. No more society for him, rather like a permanent sailing expedition he finally decides. He did like the sea better, and it's for the best that he didn't marry that girl after all.

"Oh yes. :) I'm sure that the other dragons, especially Temeraire, look in askance at him when he's all like "but gold and silver clash! And wouldn't look good against the yellow of my scales anyway! And it's too expensive!" They try to convince him of the virtues of shiny things but he still doesn't quite get it. His form of dressing up is giving his scales a good scrub and perhaps put on a few relatively plain chinese claw covers that Temeraire finally managed to push on him." OMG yes, and he only accepted the claw covers because they were easy enough to remove. He'd be mortified if (when) Jane noticed them, but she'd understand. I think she's gentler on several things, because Laurence is so far out of his element it would be cruel to tease him so much as usual.

I don't think dragons have a set mating season, but it is rather traditional to have extra stirrings in the spring. When I finally know enough canon to slide this in somewhere, I can use that as a starting point for Tem, and then a huge leap forward for Laurence.

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Lien is quite villainous. She could perhaps be involved somehow... perhaps planting the idea of giving the pearl in Temeraire's mind, or ensuring through the cook that it gets swallowed?

"I have not at ALL settled on a timeline. I want to start it much, much closer to England, to not be reinventing the wheel by writing the entire cross-Asian journey with an extra dragon." That's a good point. It could happen closer to Turkey or something. ;) That way you can have Tharkay there too! ...Also, read faster. ;) There may be other options later on for the timeline. ... Also, if you want the Jane-is-pregnant storyline it may have to happen in England itself because they were gone an awful long time in China...

"it would take Jane AND Granby to sort it out again. (Granby hasn't been able to fix it. He takes the matter to Jane, and is quite mortified to break his captain's confidence.)" Aww yeah. Granby tried very hard, but he's brave enough to admit defeat and seek help. The combined stubbornness of Temeraire AND Laurence is a high mountain to climb.

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
"and it's for the best that he didn't marry that girl after all." Yeah, that would be awkward. >_>

I'm sure that Laurence has all sorts of problems now with seniority. Should he be treated as a young dragon, which he is in skill? According to his experience in the aerial corps? As a member of a branch of the military/navy? His actual age? Does he have an actual rank anymore OH NOEZ

"OMG yes, and he only accepted the claw covers because they were easy enough to remove." Exactly. Temeraire wanted to give him a present because he loves him and also because the last present didn't work out so well, but it still took a lot of convincing. They do look rather nice, though, and all of the dragons agree, although they could use more giant jewels and elaborate carvings. Possible of dragons. JEWELED DRAGONS.

It's also a strictly dragon-type thing to wear, and so Laurence can have additional qualms about that. He SLOWLY slides into dragondom, feeling uncomfortable the entire way.

Oh yes, Jane would lay off most of the teasing. Perhaps the first time she tried it didn't go over well? A joke in poor taste because it almost made Laurence cry but Laurence CAN'T cry anymore and that makes him even more sad? But I'm sure that as Laurence grows more comfortable with things she will start to break out a few more jokes.

"I can use that as a starting point for Tem, and then a huge leap forward for Laurence." I look forward to see how you'll approach this. XD

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Lien is quite villainous. She could perhaps be involved somehow... perhaps planting the idea of giving the pearl in Temeraire's mind, or ensuring through the cook that it gets swallowed?" I think it happens back in England to make my life easier, and I can tweak events as necessary-- at least NEAR England, maybe even partway through Black Powder War. Laurence flies unharnessed for that fight, they pretend he's one of the promised dragons, and Tem might need to stage "losing" his captain on a flight so that the Prussians don't get it.

"That's a good point. It could happen closer to Turkey or something. ;) That way you can have Tharkay there too! ...Also, read faster. ;) There may be other options later on for the timeline. ... Also, if you want the Jane-is-pregnant storyline it may have to happen in England itself because they were gone an awful long time in China..." I'm working on reading faster, I have three exams this week and was at a dance half of yesterday and once in a while I sleep. Not often, though, I've been an insomniac most of this month. I read 85% of the first book overnight when I couldn't sleep at all.

"Aww yeah. Granby tried very hard, but he's brave enough to admit defeat and seek help. The combined stubbornness of Temeraire AND Laurence is a high mountain to climb." Especially since they're so desperate for the other to be happy. Jane can badger Laurence into 'manning up' (purposely chosen to make him snap into a reaction) and admitting that it's disappointing to not have thumbs and to miss out on all the pleasures of being human, even in exchange for the new fun of having wings. Tem can stop thinking it's his fault whenever Lien does something particularly nasty or it will be a VERY long war.

(Also, all of Tem's tendrils... Laurence just might have forgotten. Tem's the bigger dragon, which makes it quite easier for Laurence to curl under him again, and Laurence might not realize that he has an... effect. Quite early on, but Tem is patient for once in his life, because Laurence would be upset and confused and still thinks of himself as a person. Tem decides to wait until being a dragon in the morning isn't a surprise, and also because Jane firmly told him that if he pursued his interests now, he would force Laurence to run from him, or WORSE, to not run because he'd do anything to make Tem happy. That makes Tem behave himself quite well, because that would be a horrible thing to do.)

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
"I'm sure that Laurence has all sorts of problems now with seniority. Should he be treated as a young dragon, which he is in skill? According to his experience in the aerial corps? As a member of a branch of the military/navy? His actual age? Does he have an actual rank anymore OH NOEZ"

It throws the entire system off. Dragons seem to be ranked by age/skill and also ability. He's a fire-breather, so he gets a big boost, and he's also an experienced captain and distinguished serviceman.

"Exactly. Temeraire wanted to give him a present because he loves him and also because the last present didn't work out so well, but it still took a lot of convincing. They do look rather nice, though, and all of the dragons agree, although they could use more giant jewels and elaborate carvings. Possible of dragons. JEWELED DRAGONS." Laurence: (face-forefoot) There doesn't seem to be a universal term for reptile feet, except FEET, but that doesn't always seem accurate. He manages to convince them that he likes simplicity (and the dragons: ???)

It reminds me of a story where all the crows on an island were bribed into helping with the fight (they could turn into humans to really help) with an incredibly gaudy sparkly rock each.

"It's also a strictly dragon-type thing to wear, and so Laurence can have additional qualms about that. He SLOWLY slides into dragondom, feeling uncomfortable the entire way." That's precisely it-- they're made for CLAWS. People don't wear those, he's not a person anymore, exactly... it's hard, but Tem was fussing so.

"Oh yes, Jane would lay off most of the teasing. Perhaps the first time she tried it didn't go over well? A joke in poor taste because it almost made Laurence cry but Laurence CAN'T cry anymore and that makes him even more sad? But I'm sure that as Laurence grows more comfortable with things she will start to break out a few more jokes." Oh, yes, I can see that. Nothing beyond the usual, but it HURTS and he's too damn polite to make her stop, so it takes a few seconds of realizing that she's wounded him, badly, but he lets her apologize and she stays with him for a long time. She doesn't start joking again until he's a bit more settled, unless it's at her own expense, or Tem's when he's being a bother.

"I look forward to see how you'll approach this. XD" Laurence needs to accept himself as a dragon before he can realize that it's not all that bad. At all. Actually... well, kind of nice, and he did think long ago he couldn't marry anyone so long as Tem would be first.

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[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Clearly you must read faster so that there will no longer BE any spoilers! ;) (I read the first four books in like eight or nine days. >_> Didn't get much else done during that time. D: )

"Temeraire is brilliant at compensating for Laurence's odd behaviors, and Laurence knows just which ideas Tem will get in his head. They'd be much, much less effective if apart." Precisely. They already know each other really well.

"Excidium will accept her lieutenant as acting captain, so long as all understand that he WILL be having his proper captain back in time." Perhaps this can also be the germ of the idea of using a different term, like "Flight Officer", for a person who has slightly different responsibilities?

I really, REALLY want Jane to meet Lady Allendale, now. >_> It would be a clash of cultures, I think, but still epic.

"It pains Tem a little ("really, Laurence, this is one language that we should spend time on"), but Laurence simply has no interest in that sort of thing."
It's kind of in vogue to disdain French things. During the Napoleonic wars it was considered unpatriotic in Britain to drink Champagne or French wines, so everyone drank port from Portugal and such instead. On some level it can be the same kind of attitude with Laurence. ;)

"That kid has the oddest habit of checking through her meal as if there'll be something that isn't meat or vegetables, nobody gets it." XD OMG YES. Perhaps someone pranks her at some point and actually puts something in it...?

(I also have an idea for where you can begin the timeline so they're in England, but you'll have to get to the end of book four, first. >_> )

"THEN HE'D MAKE QUESTIONABLE-LOOKING OFFICERS CLEAN OFF HIS FOOT." AS A WARNING TO THE OTHERS.

"'Of course we shan't subject Captain Laurence to a demotion for circumstances quite beyond his control." And then Jane would stare them down until they agreed. And I'm sure that because it's the family honour at stake they can perhaps bring in Lord Allendale to help with this. This is a political thing! No son of his will be demoted for something like this!

MOPEY LAURENCE IS A SMOKING LAURENCE. I'm sure he's mortified about it.

"It takes the better part of two days to heat that much water, but asking Laurence to do it would spoil the surprise." Aww... perhaps he was feeling particularly down about something and Temeraire, Granby and Jane organized it for him to cheer him up?

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[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Spring break is next week. No classes, no tests, and all I need to do is be sure to see my friends at some point. Sean especially needs minding, FAR too many near-death medical experiences.

"Perhaps this can also be the germ of the idea of using a different term, like "Flight Officer", for a person who has slightly different responsibilities?" Quite probably. Jane has no patience for all this nonsense about demoting a man back down, which would show in his record no matter the cause, so she appoints him flight officer on her way in to see Laurence. Tem immediately adopts the term.

"I really, REALLY want Jane to meet Lady Allendale, now. >_> It would be a clash of cultures, I think, but still epic." I think they're headed up in the same transport. Lady Allendale heard a lady was being escorted up and hopped right in, it takes Jane ages to work out what's going on, and "Christ in heaven I am pregnant with this woman's illegitimate grandchild." Laurence hears first, of course, and then his mother is quite surprised but then immensely pleased she'll get a grandchild from him after all. (She expected his life to be odd and a little lonely, and Ms. Roland was good conversation.)

"It's kind of in vogue to disdain French things. During the Napoleonic wars it was considered unpatriotic in Britain to drink Champagne or French wines, so everyone drank port from Portugal and such instead. On some level it can be the same kind of attitude with Laurence. ;)" Right! He speaks it out of necessity, but will NOT see any beauty in the language. (In time, Tem will despair and teach him Latin instead, so he can at least understand more French.)

"XD OMG YES. Perhaps someone pranks her at some point and actually puts something in it...?" Something like a rock. She freaks out, and then the unfortunate miscreant has BOTH Tem and Laurence cornering him/her and explaining (politely, with many teeth showing) that they are to leave Maggie be. She checks her food carefully because her father was lost to them that way. (It's a closely-guarded secret then that Laurence used to be human, and even more that he's Maggie's father. She's blond, I think, like her dad.)

End of book four, got it. I do have a good opening scene, I think-- Laurence wakes up feeling like every single muscle and sinew hurts, with Tem around him, but something is WRONG and it all falls out from there. That might be a quick prologue to keep people interested through the bit of exposition necessary to establish setting.

"AS A WARNING TO THE OTHERS." HE HAS NOT EXCLUDED TRYING TO EAT LATER MISCREANTS-- "TRYING" BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKELY ROTTEN TO THE CORE.

"And then Jane would stare them down until they agreed. And I'm sure that because it's the family honour at stake they can perhaps bring in Lord Allendale to help with this. This is a political thing! No son of his will be demoted for something like this!" His son's official status might be very questionable, but he will NOT see his boy demoted for some attack by the French.

"MOPEY LAURENCE IS A SMOKING LAURENCE. I'm sure he's mortified about it." That might be Jane's joke, that he's blowing smoke and how can a bright yellow dragon expect to be subtle, but... oh dear, the poor man is badly hurt by that, so she soothes him.

"Aww... perhaps he was feeling particularly down about something and Temeraire, Granby and Jane organized it for him to cheer him up?" I think so. They turn into the triumvirate of people most likely to be around Laurence. Emily's rather cute about it, and spends a week learning how to tie a cravat so that she can sneak it into drying him one day-- they got her a nice great long towel, she ties it up as a neckcloth, and he probably laughs for the first time in ages. (Emily is the envy of all of Laurence's admirers for that, and Jane takes her out for a celebratory dinner after Tem's taken charge of Laurence again.)

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
"It throws the entire system off. Dragons seem to be ranked by age/skill and also ability. He's a fire-breather, so he gets a big boost, and he's also an experienced captain and distinguished serviceman." That would be what they eventually determine, but there will probably still be debates about it and I'm sure Laurence is anxious and depressed about the subject.

"He manages to convince them that he likes simplicity (and the dragons: ???)"
Quick non-spoilery bit, in the future of the series! At one point later in the books Laurence is all but forced to dress as a prince of China in a fancy robe with lots of jewels and feels REALLY SELF-CONSCIOUS ABOUT IT. He looks over at this other British guy at the feast in jealousy because the man has managed to be so very elegant: his cravat is nicely starched, boots polished, tiny little medal of valour on his jacket and a small tasteful stick of gold in the cravat... and then Temeraire leans over and whispers at Laurence with satisfaction: "Oh, look how ~plain~ [he] looks!" and all of the dragons present agree with Temeraire and Laurence is MORTIFIED. XD Yeah, so this reaction is canon.

"It reminds me of a story where all the crows on an island were bribed into helping with the fight (they could turn into humans to really help) with an incredibly gaudy sparkly rock each." That sounds like an awesome story and I really want to read it now. >_> MOAR SUMMER READING FOR BEBOOTS!

"She doesn't start joking again until he's a bit more settled, unless it's at her own expense, or Tem's when he's being a bother." Yeah, Jane is really good to the people she likes. The people she DOESN'T like, on the other hand...

"Laurence needs to accept himself as a dragon before he can realize that it's not all that bad. At all. Actually... well, kind of nice, and he did think long ago he couldn't marry anyone so long as Tem would be first." I imagine a lot of the fic will be Laurence coming to terms with what he has become... with lots of emotional fumbling along the way. But once he fully accepts what he is... >:D

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
"Laurence flies unharnessed for that fight, they pretend he's one of the promised dragons, and Tem might need to stage "losing" his captain on a flight so that the Prussians don't get it." Oh yeah, that would probably work... :3 (I want to ask a question but I have to wait until you've finished the third book. Curses!)

I totally know how you feel about too much stuff going on. I'm starting to feel a BIT panicky about my papers... stuff is steadily getting done, but the due dates are approaching fast...

"Tem decides to wait until being a dragon in the morning isn't a surprise" What a lovely way to put it! :) I also like the tendril idea... :3 Laurence has a lot on his mind and it wouldn't be COMPLETELY unreasonable for him to have forgotten...

"WORSE, to not run because he'd do anything to make Tem happy. That makes Tem behave himself quite well, because that would be a horrible thing to do." Oh god that would be heartbreaking. T_T I'm sure even Temeraire's reaction to Jane's suggesting that would be horrifying, too.

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
"That would be what they eventually determine, but there will probably still be debates about it and I'm sure Laurence is anxious and depressed about the subject." Laurence won't say much about it, of course (it wouldn't be proper), but he EARNED that rank. Last time he lost everything he had Tem, so it was okay. Now they want to give him a captain and Tem is past due for his own formation, and they don't need him and Tem together. So they'll be separated, not many people are to know that he used to be human, they're considering using a new name for him...

Tem probably ends up roaring a bit. Jane yells even more. Granby himself is at that meeting, as a likely candidate, and finally interrupts (quite white at the idea) to say that he has continued serving as Laurence's lieutenant and sees no reason that much change. Sir.

I am not at ALL surprised that Laurence prefers ravens to peacocks-- Ravens seem the most appropriate for Britain, as they believe that Britain will fall should the ravens ever leave the Tower of London.

"That sounds like an awesome story and I really want to read it now. >_> MOAR SUMMER READING FOR BEBOOTS!" Trickster's Choice by Tamora Pierce, and sequel Trickster's Queen. They overthrow a very bad government and there is magic and a very irreverent heroine and very good attention to "what happens when you oppress people a bit too much."

"Yeah, Jane is really good to the people she likes. The people she DOESN'T like, on the other hand..." The people she likes like her even more for that, though, so it's okay. Lady Allendale will probably all but applaud a particularly scathing dismissal of Rankin.

"I imagine a lot of the fic will be Laurence coming to terms with what he has become... with lots of emotional fumbling along the way. But once he fully accepts what he is... >:D" Some people will be upset because chapter two (or really, the third paragraph of chapter one) is not dragon-porn. Chapter ten (oh dear) won't be dragon-porn. Laurence is still proper and shy and Jane had to outright seduce him... but if Tem did it, it might not go well. Laurence is in the classic position of loving someone too much to say no, even if it would destroy several emotions and make him ill at ease all over again. So Jane makes Temeraire wait until Laurence is finally ready, and swears that Tem will know.

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[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
"Quite probably. Jane has no patience for all this nonsense about demoting a man back down, which would show in his record no matter the cause, so she appoints him flight officer on her way in to see Laurence. Tem immediately adopts the term." Quite possibly she just throws up her hands at any objection and is like "Whatever! We just have to call them SOMETHING!"

"Lady Allendale heard a lady was being escorted up and hopped right in, it takes Jane ages to work out what's going on, and "Christ in heaven I am pregnant with this woman's illegitimate grandchild."" XDD It is difficult to get Jane stunned wordless, but I think this would do that, for at least an instant or two.

And Jane I'm sure makes very INTERESTING conversation. XD

"(In time, Tem will despair and teach him Latin instead, so he can at least understand more French.)" OMG yes. Although wasn't it Laurence who taught Temeraire Latin in the first place? Not that Laurence was very good at it, but he did try so that they could read the Principia Mathematica together, did they not? Maybe Spanish. Or Italian?

"It's a closely-guarded secret then that Laurence used to be human, and even more that he's Maggie's father." Nobody tends to ask questions about natural-born children in the aerial corps. Few people seem to make inquiries about Emily's father, anyway, so why should Maggie by any different?

"That might be a quick prologue to keep people interested through the bit of exposition necessary to establish setting." Ooh, good plan: start in media res, then go back and explain things. Too much exposition too fast can turn some readers off.

"That might be Jane's joke, that he's blowing smoke and how can a bright yellow dragon expect to be subtle, but... oh dear, the poor man is badly hurt by that, so she soothes him." XD I laughed. LAURENCE YOU MUST ACQUIRE A SENSE OF HUMOUR OR GROW A THICKER SKIN. It will take a long while, I think.

"they got her a nice great long towel, she ties it up as a neckcloth, and he probably laughs for the first time in ages." Aww... what a nice image! XD

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
"Oh yeah, that would probably work... :3 (I want to ask a question but I have to wait until you've finished the third book. Curses!)" I'll let you know when I get to the end of the third/random point of the later books.

"What a lovely way to put it! :) I also like the tendril idea... :3 Laurence has a lot on his mind and it wouldn't be COMPLETELY unreasonable for him to have forgotten..." Especially as Tem's head is OVER his, and reptile anatomy isn't immediately as obvious as mammalian, and Laurence isn't thinking much of it. He's rubbing the top of his head on Tem's chin, and it isn't as if Temeraire minds. (Tem will just need some nice rocks. Laurence would be mortified beyond measure if (anyone knew that) he needed the same thing.)

"Oh god that would be heartbreaking. T_T I'm sure even Temeraire's reaction to Jane's suggesting that would be horrifying, too." I think Tem might lash out at first, because he would NOT harm Laurence and how could she say such things, but Jane stands her ground and THEN Temeraire is absolutely horrified that he might have harmed Laurence so badly and had no idea of what he'd done.

That would be the hyper-depressing outtake. "If Jane had been gone/had died here/something had happened that she couldn't talk sense into them." Lily and Max are lovely, but they're not nearly so perceptive, and Tem's a bit clouded by "MY captain" and "what a lovely dragon" and "odd, I used to think Mei was quite pretty, but he is a wonderful color." Laurence is a martyr until it is bodily forced out of him, and they're rather exhausting to live with.

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
" Laurence won't say much about it, of course (it wouldn't be proper), but he EARNED that rank. Last time he lost everything he had Tem, so it was okay. Now they want to give him a captain and Tem is past due for his own formation, and they don't need him and Tem together. So they'll be separated, not many people are to know that he used to be human, they're considering using a new name for him..."
And Laurence can't quite figure out how to frown as a dragon and doesn't WANT to and he KNOWS it's his duty but :( :( :(

"Tem probably ends up roaring a bit. Jane yells even more. Granby himself is at that meeting, as a likely candidate, and finally interrupts (quite white at the idea) to say that he has continued serving as Laurence's lieutenant and sees no reason that much change. Sir."
I'm sure that Temeraire was eavesdropping at the window as subtly as a several-ton heavyweight dragon can. But it's not as if anybody can budge him. Also, when the most likely candidate isn't cooperating with the plan to give Laurence a captain... GIVE UP HOPE.

(also, the return of Granby's pejorative SIR used against someone else = WIN)

Ooh! I've read a lot of the series that Tamora Pierce wrote; she was my favourite author in junior high. I don't think I progressed to the Trickster series, though I have to, now. :)

"Some people will be upset because chapter two (or really, the third paragraph of chapter one) is not dragon-porn. Chapter ten (oh dear) won't be dragon-porn." LOL trufax.

But you're so right. You have to go about this delicately.

"Laurence is in the classic position of loving someone too much to say no, even if it would destroy several emotions and make him ill at ease all over again." ;_; But oh man, when you FINALLY get to that bit, it will be all the more romantic/awesome/sweet because of it.

I remember reading an amazing fanfic that WAS a romance but the characters didn't even KISS until like chapter 45, didn't even THINK about kissing before like chapter 40, and they didn't get down and dirty until like chapter 55 or 60. It was a long time in coming, but all the more realistic for that. Most people don't jump in bed with each other after two days or weeks. :P

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[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
"Quite possibly she just throws up her hands at any objection and is like "Whatever! We just have to call them SOMETHING!"" Jane GETS SHIT DONE, thankyouverymuch, and has no time to waste in meetings when Laurence is being meek and quiet and not even FIGHTING (which means that he thinks the orders will go the other way, and he would disgrace his commanding officer to protest).

"XDD It is difficult to get Jane stunned wordless, but I think this would do that, for at least an instant or two.

And Jane I'm sure makes very INTERESTING conversation. XD"

I think the two of them are quite friendly, and it makes it an instant decision. Jane ends up giving birth in some room with a great window, so that Laurence can fuss and be poorly restrained by Temeraire, and Jane takes one look at the girl and knows she was right. "I'm afraid that you have no right to name a child after that ordeal, Laurence, but you may choose Margaret's middle name if you like."

"OMG yes. Although wasn't it Laurence who taught Temeraire Latin in the first place? Not that Laurence was very good at it, but he did try so that they could read the Principia Mathematica together, did they not? Maybe Spanish. Or Italian?" Maybe Greek, so they can learn a new language together, but they don't get far before Temeraire hears an opera somehow and instantly wants to learn Italian-- I think they hire a few singers (or Lady Allendale does).

"Nobody tends to ask questions about natural-born children in the aerial corps. Few people seem to make inquiries about Emily's father, anyway, so why should Maggie by any different?" Right. It's probably assumed it was some dragon-rider or other that slept with the woman just as often as necessary to get a child. Maggie doesn't talk about her dad often, but she is Laurence and Temeraire's absolute favorite and all of the rest of the children are jealous.

"Ooh, good plan: start in media res, then go back and explain things. Too much exposition too fast can turn some readers off." I hate the GIANT BLOCK OF EXPOSITION with nothing happening, and this is the kind of story where the big twist is the attraction, not a surprise. Laurence is a dragon. How on earth are we going to deal with this? Let's find out.

"XD I laughed. LAURENCE YOU MUST ACQUIRE A SENSE OF HUMOUR OR GROW A THICKER SKIN. It will take a long while, I think." He's used to being inscrutable and stiff upper lip and all that, not VISIBLY BLOWING SMOKE ALL OVER WHEN SULKING IN THE WOODS. BUT NOT SULKING BECAUSE THAT'S UNDIGNIFIED.

"Aww... what a nice image! XD" I think the entire damn place makes a pet of her for that. Even people that might not have liked Laurence so well have to imagine what it would be like to be a dragon, nevermind after barely thinking of them for most of your life, and he is a devoted worker. They want him to be happy.

[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Aww... yeah, Laurence would be just in it for the platonic comforting huggles... and then we can see the tables being turned and having TEMERAIRE act stoic and knowing more about the situation and trying to act with propriety, not the other way around for once. ;)

" I think Tem might lash out at first, because he would NOT harm Laurence and how could she say such things, but Jane stands her ground and THEN Temeraire is absolutely horrified that he might have harmed Laurence so badly and had no idea of what he'd done." Yeah, I can see Temeraire being defensive about it because of COURSE he would NEVER harm Laurence... but Jane is telling the truth.

"odd, I used to think Mei was quite pretty, but he is a wonderful color." I love this thought. Please include it at some point. What does Temeraire find particularly attractive about this dragon!Laurence? ;)

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[identity profile] beboots.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
"when Laurence is being meek and quiet and not even FIGHTING (which means that he thinks the orders will go the other way, and he would disgrace his commanding officer to protest)." ;_; Oh Laurence... He's lost a lot of his confidence. The others need to help him build it up again.

"I'm afraid that you have no right to name a child after that ordeal, Laurence, but you may choose Margaret's middle name if you like." That is an AMAZING line. Please include it. XD

Also, side note: I would look up historical window sizes to see what's physically possible in the regency era. It may be fairly small, only enough for Laurence to press up one side of his face (dragon eyes don't face forward and are on opposite sides of the face!) to it so he can barely see what's going on. I remember visiting a castle in the North of England (I think it was the one where the outdoor scenes of the flying lesson in the Philosopher's Stone movie were filmed? ANYWAY) and they had this giant mirror that was the single largest piece of glass anywhere at the time. It was like two stories tall. But that was an almost impossible feat of engineering. I want to say that it was made in the late 1700s... but I cannot recall. No photos were allowed inside, sadly.

"Maybe Greek, so they can learn a new language together, but they don't get far before Temeraire hears an opera somehow and instantly wants to learn Italian" XD Yes. Also, hiring musicians like they did in the books would help Laurence feel a bit more human again. :)

"she is Laurence and Temeraire's absolute favorite and all of the rest of the children are jealous." Oh yes. She's practically first in line to captain one of TWO impressive dragons. She has first pick. ;)

"Laurence is a dragon. How on earth are we going to deal with this? Let's find out." That could practically be the summary. ;)

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
"And Laurence can't quite figure out how to frown as a dragon and doesn't WANT to and he KNOWS it's his duty but :( :( :(" But luckily Tem and Jane and Granby look out for him.

"I'm sure that Temeraire was eavesdropping at the window as subtly as a several-ton heavyweight dragon can." OMG HE WAS. He's bigger than the BUILDING they were using. "But it's not as if anybody can budge him. Also, when the most likely candidate isn't cooperating with the plan to give Laurence a captain... GIVE UP HOPE." Temeraire looks quite enraged enough to knock the damn thing down. If they will not treat Laurence right, then they both will leave, and Lily has said that she will not give them any eggs if they are going to raise them that way.

"(also, the return of Granby's pejorative SIR used against someone else = WIN)" When Jane tells the story later, she doesn't quite grasp the significance, but Granby goes beet red and Laurence cheers up a little.

"Ooh! I've read a lot of the series that Tamora Pierce wrote; she was my favourite author in junior high. I don't think I progressed to the Trickster series, though I have to, now. :)" It's awesome! Very much feels more grown-up than the rest, there's a lot of politics and actual overthrow of the government and it's ALANNA AND GEORGE'S BABY GIRL. She's awesome. She wants to be a spy. They both said no. They seemed to think it would work.

She's Alanna and George's kid, they said no, and... yeah. They had it coming, as much as they get upset about the way it happened.

"But you're so right. You have to go about this delicately." Fast relationships don't usually last, and Tem is very, very serious.

";_; But oh man, when you FINALLY get to that bit, it will be all the more romantic/awesome/sweet because of it." Tem does back way off, and gradually Laurence gets more comfortable initiating more of the affectionate displays and risky flying manoeuvers (too lazy to get the Brit version properly right now) and Laurence gets that look of "I'm going to mess this up but I don't care right now.

The best romances start that way--one book, the two characters weren't face-to-face until 200 pages in, and didn't touch for 60 more pages.
Doubly for this-- Laurence is a gentleman, still, and even if there were some brief adventures with boys, it was probably quite practical and hand-for-hand. (There aren't any girls, at all, and that type of thing was rather common. Outright anal intercourse, however, was NOT encouraged to the point that you could be killed for it (can't find my source, I know I've seen this in period literature somewhere). Men don't... they just... Laurence has to change everything for this to work, and I think Temeraire thinks quite a bit more like a human at the end to really understand Laurence.

(Ninety years or so later, men that had sex with men had wives waiting for them at home.)

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[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
";_; Oh Laurence... He's lost a lot of his confidence. The others need to help him build it up again." Yes, they do, and his confidence is pretty gone. He was the practical mind all through Tem's idealistic "we will change how dragons are treated here" ideas, and now he knows what's probably going to happen. They'll need him, he's a fire-breather, and at least partially-trained, but they'll separate him from Jane and Tem and most of his crew, and he doesn't know anybody senior enough to take charge of him, so it would be some stranger that might not know he used to be human-- the thought might have been to call him a defector from France, but NOBODY would trust him after previous events, so he's probably an egg hatched and raised at a different covert and kept quiet as the fire hadn't taken immediately.

"That is an AMAZING line. Please include it. XD" Laurence is immensely pleased that it's his mother's name, and probably ends up staring at her and getting all melancholy all over again that he can't hold her. "We needn't have the name right away, darling, and as soon as the ninnies have established that I can certainly hobble outside with minimal assistance, we'll have the two of you properly introduced--you are quite lucky to be entirely beyond changing nappies, they can be rather vile."

"Also, side note: I would look up historical window sizes to see what's physically possible in the regency era. It may be fairly small, only enough for Laurence to press up one side of his face (dragon eyes don't face forward and are on opposite sides of the face!) to it so he can barely see what's going on." That's what I was thinking, some small window they can open up while he squishes his face against the second story. Mirrors were still VERY expensive then, too, and Azula's mirror in Avatar? Holy shit that's a lot of money she destroyed.

"XD Yes. Also, hiring musicians like they did in the books would help Laurence feel a bit more human again. :)" His mother thinks of that one, and knows her son's usual tastes. If Lady Allendale is staying for some time at the covert to meet with friends and wants music, who would ask?

"Oh yes. She's practically first in line to captain one of TWO impressive dragons. She has first pick. ;)" The dragons probably share her back and forth, too. I think she typically rides Tem for battles (Laurence would be even more of a nanny then), but she and her dad fly a lot.

"Laurence is a dragon. How on earth are we going to deal with this? Let's find out." That could practically be the summary. ;)" It might be the crack summary, actually, then a more serious-looking thing under it.

[identity profile] feral-shrew.livejournal.com 2011-02-28 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
"Aww... yeah, Laurence would be just in it for the platonic comforting huggles... and then we can see the tables being turned and having TEMERAIRE act stoic and knowing more about the situation and trying to act with propriety, not the other way around for once. ;)" OMG YES-- it would be very upsetting to Laurence, he knows that, and worse-- Laurence would STOP. And that is not to be borne, so Tem occasionally makes a fast excuse about needing a swim and finds some nice rocks. (There is one little pool near the covert NO other dragon will approach. It's his favorite spot. It's clearly marked as his territory, they're not even trying it)

"Yeah, I can see Temeraire being defensive about it because of COURSE he would NEVER harm Laurence... but Jane is telling the truth." So then he's devastated that there was a CHANCE of hurting Laurence in that way, but Jane's very practical and quite kind in her own way so she outlines the Ways of seducing the man. 'I did it, after all, and I dare say that you have advantages of both appearance and intimacy in your favor already.' Tem would be jealous, but Jane clearly can't have sex with Laurence again, and Laurence would be VERY upset if Tem were to leave a single scratch out of pique.

"I love this thought. Please include it at some point. What does Temeraire find particularly attractive about this dragon!Laurence? ;)" Oh my, THAT is a list. It leaves dragon!Laurence quite flustered and shy, because he can hardly compete with an Imperial, let alone a Celestial, and nobody's wanted him quite so badly. He and Jane weren't nearly so serious, but if he loses Tem, he gives up.

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